Sunday, October 2, 2011

The List of Greatness - 1985

Okay, I'm going to try this with my updated older data and hopefully everything matches up. Please let me know if you notice any inconsistencies so I can get them corrected ASAP. (I'm not sure exactly how much I had changed from this earlier stuff to the most recent data I was using, so I think I changed everything, but it's possible something slipped under my radar.)

1. Magic Johnson - 289.9
Position: Guard-Forward
Height: 6'8"
College: Michigan State
Draft: 1979 - 1st pick
Experience: 6 years
Teams: Los Angeles Lakers - 1980-1985 (#32)
65.2 Win Shares, 1.268 MVP Award Shares, 3 All-NBA 1st Team Selections, 1 All-NBA 2nd Team Selections, 5 All-Star Selections, 3 Championships (1980 Lakers, 1982 Lakers, 1985 Lakers), 8.5 Championship Win Shares, 2 Finals Losses (1983 Lakers, 1984 Lakers), 5.6 Finals Win Shares, 0 Conference Finals Losses, 0.0 Conference Finals Win Shares


And the rest of the top ten:
2. Tiny Archibald - 206.0
Position: Guard
Height: 6'1"
College: Texas-El Paso
Draft: 1970 - 19th pick
Experience: 13 years (retired 1 year)
Teams: Cincinnati Royals - 1971-1972 (#10), Kansas City-Omaha Kings - 1973-1975 (#10 - 1973-1974, #1 - 1975), Kansas City Kings - 1976 (#1), New York Nets - 1977 (#1), Boston Celtics - 1979-1983 (#7), Milwaukee Bucks - 1984 (#7)
83.4 Win Shares, 0.465 MVP Award Shares, 3 All-NBA 1st Team Selections, 2 All-NBA 2nd Team Selections, 6 All-Star Selections, 1 Championship (1981 Celtics), 1.3 Championship Win Shares, 0 Finals Losses, 0.0 Finals Win Shares, 2 Conference Finals Losses (1980 Celtics, 1982 Celtics), 1.2 Conference Finals Win Shares


3. Bob McAdoo - 196.7
Position: Center-Forward
Height: 6'9"
College: North Carolina
Draft: 1972 - 2nd pick
Experience: 13 years
Teams: Buffalo Braves - 1973-1971 (#11), New York Knicks - 1977-1979 (#11), Boston Celtics - 1979 (#11), Detroit Pistons - 1980-1981 (#11), New Jersey Nets - 1981 (#21), Los Angeles Lakers - 1982-1985 (#11)
88.3 Win Shares, 1.494 MVP Award Shares (1 MVP - 1975), 1 All-NBA 1st Team Selection, 1 All-NBA 2nd Team Selection, 5 All-Star Selections, 2 Championships (1982 Lakers, 1985 Lakers), 1.5 Championship Win Shares, 2 Finals Losses (1983 Lakers, 1984 Lakers), 1.2 Finals Win Shares, 0 Conference Finals Losses, 0.0 Conference Finals Win Shares


4. Cliff Hagan - 183.3
Position: Forward-Guard
Height: 6'4"
College: Kentucky
Draft: 1953 - 24th pick
Experience: 10 years/3 ABA years (retired 17 years/13 years from ABA)
Teams: St. Louis Hawks - 1957-1966 (#6 - 1957, #17 - 1957, #16 - 1958-1966), Dallas Chaparrals - 1968-1970 (#16)
75.1 Win Shares, 0.043 MVP Award Shares, 0 All-NBA 1st Team Selections, 2 All-NBA 2nd Team Selections, 5 All-Star Selections, 1 Championship, (1958 Hawks), 2.7 Championship Win Shares, 3 Finals Losses (1957 Hawks, 1960 Hawks, 1961 Hawks), 3.9 Finals Win Shares, 4 Conference Finals Losses (1959 Hawks, 1963 Hawks, 1964 Hawks, 1966 Hawks)
10.2 ABA Win Shares, 1 ABA All-Star Selection


5. Dan Issel - 181.2
Position: Center-Forward
Height 6'9"
College: Kentucky
Draft: 1970 - 122nd pick (signed with ABA instead)
Experience: 9 years/6 ABA years
Teams: Kentucky Colonels - 1971-1975 (#44), Denver Nuggets - 1976 (#25), Denver Nuggets - 1977-1985 (#25 - 1977, #44 - 1978-1985)
82.3 Win Shares, 0.004 MVP Award Shares, 0 All-NBA 1st Team Selections, 0 All-NBA 2nd Team Selections, 1 All-Star Game, 0 Championships, 0.0 Championship Win Shares, 0 Finals Losses, 0.0 Finals Win Shares, 2 Conference Finals Losses (1978 Nuggets, 1985 Nuggets), 2.0 Conference Finals Win Shares
75.6 Win Shares, 1 All-ABA 1st Team Selection, 4 All-NBA 2nd Team Selections, 6 All-Star Selections, 1 Championship (1975 Colonels), 1.7 Championship Win Shares, 3 Finals Losses (1971 Colonels, 1973 Colonels, 1976 Nuggets), 8.5 Finals Win Shares, 1 Conference Finals Loss (1974 Colonels), 0.8 Conference Finals Win Shares


6. Bob Dandridge - 176.4
Position: Forward-Guard
Height: 6'6"
College: Norfolk State
Draft: 1969 - 45th pick
Experience: 13 years (retired 3 years)
Teams: Milwaukee Bucks - 1970-1977 (#10), Washington Bullets - 1978-1981 (#10), Milwaukee Bucks - 1982 (#10)
80.3 Win Shares, 0.034 MVP Award Shares, 0 All-NBA 1st Team Selections, 1 All-NBA 2nd Team Selection, 4 All-Star Selections, 2 Championships (1971 Bucks, 1978 Bullets), 3.7 Championship Win Shares, 2 Finals Losses 91974 Bucks, 1979 Bullets), 4.4 Finals Win Shares, 2 Conference Finals Losses (1970 Bucks, 1972 Bucks), 2.5 Conference Finals Win Shares


7. Billy Cunningham - 176.3
Position: Forward-Center
Height: 6'6"
College: North Carolina
Draft: 1965 - 5th pick
Experience: 9 years/2 ABA years (retired 9 years)
Teams: Philadelphia 76ers - 1966-1972 (#32), Carolina Cougars - 1973-1974 (#32), Philadelphia 76ers - 1975-1976 (#32)
63.2 Win Shares, 0.288 MVP Award Shares, 3 All-NBA 1st Team Selections, 1 All-NBA 2nd Team Selection, 4 All-Star Selections, 1 Championship (1967 76ers), 0.4 Championship Win Shares, 0 Finals Losses, 0.0 Finals Win Shares, 2 Conference Finals Losses (1966 76ers, 1968 76ers), 0.4 Conference Finals Win Shares
15.4 ABA Win Shares, 1 ABA MVP (1973), 1 All-ABA 1st Team Selection, 1 ABA All-Star Selection, 1 ABA Conference Finals Loss (1973 Cougars), 1.7 ABA Conference Finals Win Shares


8. Bob Lanier - 174.5
Position: Center
Height: 6'11"
College: St. Bonaventure
Draft: 1970 - 1st pick
Experience: 14 years (retired 1 year)
117.1 Win Shares, 0.504 MVP Award Shares, 0 All-NBA 1st Team Selections, 0 All-NBA 2nd Team Selections, 8 All-Star Selections, 0 Championships, 0.0 Championship Win Shares, 0 Finals Losses, 0.0 Finals Win Shares, 2 Conference Finals Losses (1983 Bucks, 1984 Bucks), 1.9 Conference Finals Win Shares


9. Paul Westphal - 167.6
Position: Guard
Height: 6'4"
College: Southern California
Draft: 1972 - 10th pick
Experience: 12 years (retired 1 year)
Teams: Boston Celtics - 1973-1975 (#44), Phoenix Suns - 1977-1980 (#44), Seattle SuperSonics - 1981 (#44), New York Knicks - 1982-1983 (#44), Phoenix Suns - 1984 (#44)
67.7 Win Shares, 0.014 MVP Award Shares, 3 All-NBA 1st Team Selections, 1 All-NBA 2nd Team Selection, 5 All-Star Selections, 1 Championship (1974 Celtics), 0.5 Championship Win Shares, 1 Finals Loss (1976 Suns), 1.9 Finals Win Shares, 4 Conference Finals Losses 91973 Celtics, 1975 Celtics, 1979 Suns, 1984 Suns), 2.0 Conference Finals Win Shares


10. Spencer Haywood - 161.7
Position: Forward-Center
Height: 6'8"
College: Detroit
Draft: 1971 - 30th pick (already signed with ABA before eligible to play in NBA)
Experience: 12 years/1 ABA year (retired 2 years)
Teams: Denver Rockets - 1970 (#24), Seattle SuperSonics - 1971-1975 (#24), New York Knicks -1976-1979 (#42), New Orleans Jazz - 1979 (#24), Los Angeles Lakers - 1980 (#31), Washington Bullets - 1982-1983 (#24)
61.4 Win Shares, 0.114 MVP Award Shares, 2 All-NBA 1st Team Selections, 2 All-NBA 2nd Team Selections, 4 All-Star Selections, 1 Championship (1980 Lakers), 0.0 Championship Win Shares, 0 Finals Losses, 0.0 Finals Win Shares, 0 Conference Finals Losses, 0.0 Conference Finals Win Shares
17.1 ABA Win Shares, 1 ABA MVP (1970), 1 All-ABA 1st Team Selection, 1 ABA All-Star Selection, 1 ABA Conference Finals Loss (1970 Rockets), 2.6 ABA Conference Finals Win Shares




And the 39 Greatest Players Ever after 39 seasons:
(Inducted List of Greatness members in bold; supplementary members in underlined italics)
1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - 832.5
2. Bill Russell - 739.6
3. Wilt Chamberlain - 712.6
4. Jerry West - 584.6
5. Oscar Robertson - 511.2
6. John Havlicek - 479.1
7. Bob Pettit - 468.2
8. Julius Erving - 465.9
9. Dolph Schayes - 431.8
10. Elgin Baylor - 416.2
11. Bob Cousy - 406.2
12. Larry Bird - 387.1
13. George Mikan - 380.0
14. Moses Malone - 368.0
15. Rick Barry - 329.3
16. Elvin Hayes - 322.1
17. Walt Frazier - 321.8
18. Magic Johnson - 289.9
19. George Gervin - 284.6
20. Sam Jones - 283.0
21. Bill Sharman - 278.7
22. Paul Arizin - 258.2
23. Hal Greer - 251.9
24. Dave Cowens - 239.8
25. Willis Reed - 234.5
26. Artis Gilmore - 229.3
27. Vern Mikkelsen - 225.8
28. Wes Unseld - 221.6
29. Jerry Lucas - 221.6
30. Tom Heinsohn - 217.8
31. Neil Johnston - 209.8
32. Tiny Archibald - 206.0
33. Ed Macauley - 204.7
34. Bailey Howell - 200.7
35. Bob McAdoo - 196.7
36. Chet Walker - 190.4
37. Cliff Hagan - 183.3
38. Dan Issel - 181.2
39. Slater Martin - 178.9


And the next tier:
40. Bob Dandridge - 176.4
41. Billy Cunningham - 176.3
42. Bob Lanier - 174.5
43. Paul Westphal - 167.6
44. Spencer Haywood - 161.7
45. Dennis Johnson - 161.1
46. Larry Foust - 160.1
47. Robert Parish - 159.1
48. Harry Gallatin - 159.0
49. Lenny Wilkens - 158.8
50. Walt Bellamy - 156.1
51. Jim Pollard - 154.2
52. Dave Bing - 153.5
53. Sidney Moncrief - 153.1
54. Gail Goodrich - 151.8
55. Bobby Wanzer - 151.4
56. Bob Davies - 150.7
57. Jo Jo White - 150.2
58. George McGinnis - 149.1
59. Gus Williams - 147.8
60. Bobby Jones - 147.7
61. George Yardley - 149.1
62. Earl Monroe - 144.8
63. Nate Thurmond - 141.8
64. Dave DeBusschere - 141.4
65. Adrian Dantley - 140.0
66. Jack Sikma - 139.6
67. Richie Guerin - 138.0
68. Marques Johnson - 137.4
69. Connie Hawkins - 135.1
70. Max Zaslofsky - 134.9
71. Jack Twyman - 134.2
72. Zelmo Beaty - 133.7
73. Jamaal Wilkes - 133.2
74. Lou Hudson - 127.5
75. Bernard King - 127.3
76. Joe Fulks - 126.7
77. Pete Maravich - 123.7
78. Arnie Risen - 120.0

7 comments:

  1. Magic! Great to see him in...I'll see if there are any errors and tell you if I see any.....It's been so long since a LoG post :).

    Have you not backed up your files in a while? I sometimes do that (I just backed up my master document ((which is 100 pages of info....probably about 50 since I last backed up..)) recently for the first time in a month...).

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  2. I had it backed up, but I apparently forgot to do it since basketball-reference started calculating Win Shares prior to 1952. So technically, I could probably figure out the rest of the inductees pretty easily, but I still want to go in and recalculate all of those other guys so it doesn't mess up the "Top 10" or the overall "X Greatest Players after X Years" Lists.

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  3. Yeah, can't be too careful...Did you see my comment of the Ultimate Season? I think you should use ABA for the teams players...You should think about it...

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  4. I'm considering it. The tough part about that though is that the competition level of the ABA wasn't as high as the NBA's, so if I have a bunch of players for, say, the Nuggets who get full credit for their ABA accomplishments vs players from just the Nuggets during the NBA, that could end up hurting the team by placing less talented players on the All-Time Nuggets team. So, right now, I'm thinking I'm just going to continue with giving players 40% credit for ABA accomplishments.

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  5. But Nets fans will hate you if you let the Doc on Philly :P...You don't want to leave out some good players from the ABA that never played in the NBA...maybe more, like 60-80%...

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  6. Even if I gave Doc 100% of his ABA points, he'd still end up on the Sixers. He has 253.8 ABA points with the Nets, and 357.9 points with the 76ers.

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  7. Oh...But some ABAers may not get in without more credit...like Mel Daniels on the Pacers....or Roger Brown on the Pacers too...

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