Sorry for the lack of posts lately. Life gets in the way of super fun basketball stats sometimes. (Sigh...) But here's our first new List of Greatness entry under the new criteria where every player gets full credit for the win shares during their entire career, rather than just from 1952 forward. As a result, there probably won't be much continuity between this post and the 1970 post. I may go back and update the older posts eventually, but I'd like to just progress forward and get all the years done first and then go from there. Anyway, here are the numbers, with all stats through the 1971 season.
1. Willis Reed - 217.0
Position: Center-Forward
Height: 6'9"
College: Grambling State
Draft: 1964 - 8th pick
Experience: 7 years
Teams: New York Knicks - 1965-1971 (#19)
66.9 Win Shares, 1.072 MVP Award Shares (1 MVP - 1970), 1 All-NBA 1st Team Selection, 4 All-NBA 2nd Team Selections, 7 All-Star Selections, 1 Championship (1970 Knicks), 2.6 Championship Win Shares, 0 Finals Losses, 0.0 Finals Win Shares, 2 Conference Finals Losses (1969 Knicks, 1971 Knicks), 2.9 Conference Finals Win Shares
And the rest of the top ten:
2. Cliff Hagan - 183.3
Position: Forward-Guard
Height: 6'4"
College: Kentucky
Draft: 1953 - 24th pick
Experience: 10 years/3 ABA years (retired 5 years/1 year from ABA)
Teams: St. Louis Hawks - 1957-1966 (#6 - 1957, #17 - 1957, #16 - 1958-1966), Dallas Chaparrals - 1968-1970 (#16)
75.1 Win Shares, 0.043 MVP Award Shares, 0 All-NBA 1st Team Selections, 2 All-NBA 2nd Team Selections, 5 All-Star Selections, 1 Championship (1958 Hawks), 2.7 Championship Win Shares, 3 Finals Losses (1957 Hawks, 1960 Hawks, 1961 Hawks), 3.9 Finals Win Shares, 4 Conference Finals Losses (1959 Hawks, 1963 Hawks, 1964 Hawks, 1966 Hawks), 3.8 Conference Finals Win Shares
10.2 ABA Win Shares, 1 ABA All-Star Selection
3. Jerry Lucas - 177.4
Position: Forward-Center
Height: 6'8"
College: Ohio State
Draft: 1962 - territorial selection
Experience: 8 years
Teams: Cincinnati Royals - 1964-1970 (#16), San Francisco Warriors - 1970-1971 (#47 - 1970, #32 - 1970-1971)
76.0 Win Shares, 0.027 MVP Award Shares, 3 All-NBA 1st Team Selections, 2 All-NBA 2nd Team Selections, 7 All-Star Selections, 0 Championships, 0.0 Championship Win Shares, 0 Finals Losses, 0.0 Finals Win Shares, 1 Conference Finals Loss, 0.3 Conference Finals Win Shares
4. Larry Foust - 160.1
Position: Center-Forward
Height: 6'9"
College: La Salle
Draft: 1950 - 5th pick
Experience: 12 years (retired 9 years)
Teams: Fort Wayne Pistons - 1951-1957 (#16), Minneapolis Lakers - 1958-1960 (#14), St. Louis Hawks - 1960-1962 (#13 - 1960-1961, #14 - 1962)
69.8 Win Shares, 0.000 MVP Award Shares, 1 All-NBA 1st Team Selection, 1 All-NBA 2nd Team Selection, 8 All-Star Selections, 0 Championships, 0.0 Championship Win Shares, 5 Finals Losses (1955 Pistons, 1956 Pistons, 1959 Lakers, 1960 Hawks, 1961 Hawks), 3.6 Finals Win Shares, 1 Conference Finals Loss (1953 Pistons), 1.1 Conference Finals Win Shares
5. George Yardley - 145.1
Position: Forward-Guard
Height: 6'5"
College: Stanford
Draft: 1950 - 7th pick
Experience: 7 years (retired 11 years)
Teams: Fort Wayne Pistons - 1954-1957 (#12), Detroit Pistons - 1958-1959 (#12), Syracuse Nationals - 1959-1960 (#12)
58.5 Win Shares, 0.382 MVP Award Shares, 1 All-NBA 1st Team Selection, 1 All-NBA 2nd Team Selection, 6 All-Star Selections, 0 Championships, 0.0 Championship Win Shares, 2 Finals Losses (1955 Pistons, 1956 Pistons), 3.3 Finals Win Shares, 2 Conference Finals Losses (1958 Pistons, 1959 Nationals), 2.2 Conference Finals Win Shares
6. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - 144.6
Position: Center
Height: 7'2"
College: UCLA
Draft: 1969 - 1st pick
Experience: 2 years
Teams: Milwaukee Bucks - 1970-1971 (#33)
36.1 Win Shares, 1.359 MVP Award Shares (1 MVP - 1971), 1 All-NBA 1st Team Selection, 1 All-NBA 2nd Team Selection, 2 All-Star Selections, 1 Championship (1971 Bucks), 3.3 Championship Win Shares, 0 Finals Losses, 0.0 Finals Win Shares, 1 Conference Finals Loss (1970 Bucks), 2.6 Conference Finals Win Shares
7. Richie Guerin - 138.0
Position: Guard
Height: 6'4"
College: Iona
Draft: 1954 - 17th pick
Experience: 13 years (retired 1 year)
Teams: New York Knicks - 1957-1964 (#9), St. Louis Hawks - 1964-1967 (#15), Atlanta Hawks - 1969-1970 (#18 - 1969, #19 - 1969-1970)
69.2 Win Shares, 0.032 MVP Award Shares, 0 All-NBA 1st Team Selections, 3 All-NBA 2nd Team Selections, 6 All-Star Selections, 0 Championships, 0.0 Championship Win Shares, 0 Finals Losses, 0.0 Finals Win Shares, 5 Conference Finals Losses (1964 Hawks, 1966 Hawks, 1967 Hawks, 1969 Hawks, 1970 Hawks), 3.2 Conference Finals Win Shares
8. Max Zaslofsky - 134.9
Position: Guard-Forward
Height: 6'2"
College: St. John's
Draft: not drafted
Experience: 10 years (retired 15 years)
Teams: Chicago Stags - 1947-1950 (#10), New York Knicks - 1951-1953 (#5 - 1951, #10 - 1952-1953), Baltimore Bullets - 1954 (#10), Milwaukee Hawks - 1954 (#14), Fort Wayne Pistons - 1954-1956 (#6 - 1954, #10 - 1955-1956)
44.6 Win Shares, 0.000 MVP Award Shares, 4 All-NBA 1st Team Selections, 0 All-NBA 2nd Team Selections, 1 All-Star Selection, 0 Championships, 0.0 Championship Win Shares, 4 Finals Losses (1947 Stags, 1951 Knicks, 1952 Knicks, 1955 Pistons), 4.5 Finals Win Shares, 1 Conference Finals Loss (1948 Stags), 1.1 Conference Finals Win Shares
9. Walt Bellamy - 133.5
Position: Center
Height: 6'11"
College: Indiana
Draft: 1961 - 1st pick
Experience: 10 years
Teams: Chicago Packers - 1962 (#8), Chicago Zephyrs - 1963 (#8), Baltimore Bullets - 1964-1966 (#8), New York Knicks - 1966-1969 (#8), Detroit Pistons - 1969-1970 (#8), Atlanta Hawks - 1970-1971 (#8)
107.4 Win Shares, 0.002 MVP Award Shares, 0 All-NBA 1st Team Selections, 0 All-NBA 2nd Team Selections, 4 All-Star Selections, 0 Championships, 0.0 Championship Win Shares, 0 Finals Losses, 0.0 Finals Win Shares, 2 Conference Finals Losses (1965 Bullets, 1970 Hawks), 2.4 Conference Finals Win Shares
10. Jack Twyman - 131.7
Position: Forward-Guard
Height: 6'6"
College: Cincinnati
Draft: 1955 - 8th pick
Experience: 11 years (retired 5 years)
Teams: Rochester Royals - 1956-1957 (#10), Cincinnati Royals - 1958-1966 (#27 - 1958-1960, #31 - 1961-1964, #27 - 1965-1966)
75.0 Win Shares, 0.066 MVP Award Shares, 0 All-NBA 1st Team Selections, 2 All-NBA 2nd Team Selections, 6 All-Star Selections, 0 Championships, 0.0 Championship Win Shares, 0 Finals Losses, 0.0 Finals Win Shares, 2 Conference Finals Losses (1963 Royals, 1964 Royals), 2.0 Conference Finals Win Shares
And the 25 Greatest Players Ever after 25 years:
(Inducted players in bold)
1. Bill Russell - 739.6
2. Wilt Chamberlain - 602.5
3. Jerry West - 476.5
4. Oscar Robertson - 473.2
5. Bob Pettit - 468.2
6. Dolph Schayes - 431.8
7. Elgin Baylor - 415.6
8. Bob Cousy - 406.2
9. George Mikan - 380.0
10. Sam Jones - 283.0
11. Bill Sharman - 278.7
12. Paul Arizin - 258.2
13. John Havlicek - 252.4
14. Hal Greer - 248.3
15. Vern Mikkelsen - 225.8
16. Tom Heinsohn - 217.8
17. Willis Reed - 217.0
18. Neil Johnston - 209.8
19. Ed Macauley - 204.7
20. Bailey Howell - 200.7
21. Cliff Hagan - 183.3
22. Slater Martin - 178.9
23. Jerry Lucas - 177.4
24. Larry Foust - 160.1
25. Harry Gallatin - 159.0
And the next tier:
26. Jim Pollard - 154.2
27. Bobby Wanzer - 151.4
28. Bob Davies - 150.7
29. George Yardley - 145.1
30. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - 144.6
31. Richie Guerin - 138.0
32. Max Zaslofsky - 134.9
33. Walt Bellamy - 133.5
34. Jack Twyman - 131.7
35. Joe Fulks - 126.7
36. Lenny Wilkens - 125.6
37. Chet Walker - 125.3
38. Walt Frazier - 122.0
39. Arnie Risen - 120.0
40. Billy Cunningham - 119.7
41. Clyde Lovellette - 119.2
42. Carl Braun - 114.8
43. Andy Phillip - 114.6
44. Larry Costello - 110.6
45. Dick McGuire - 110.1
46. Rick Barry - 109.0
47. Gus Johnson - 105.2
48. Tom Gola - 103.6
49. Rudy LaRusso - 102.4
50. Connie Hawkins - 96.4
So Kareem is sixth (which I think wouldn't merit him a win the next year, even though he was MVP), and although Hagan is next in line, Jerry Lucas may, may, MAY, jump him (depending on his win shares the next year, and they also lost the finals......). SO in '73 Kareem is two in MVP,not to mention 20+ win shares but a semis loss. WHo knows, maybe Frazier will jump Hagan in '73 or '74, and we can't forget Cowens and White who were champs in '74. But Hagan will make it soon most likely anyway. But lookig at other names, JOe Fulks should be on the list (ok, maybe not, he played only a few years....). Great job, keep it up.....
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