tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6378203929601226776.post5040886014381621645..comments2023-04-11T10:35:47.364-05:00Comments on The Glorious Extra Pass: The Greatness Equationlucasewalthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08999129301313018201noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6378203929601226776.post-16871479025412391922011-02-11T09:16:52.374-06:002011-02-11T09:16:52.374-06:00Well, there's no doubt Havlicek, Cousy, and Sa...Well, there's no doubt Havlicek, Cousy, and Sam Jones all benefitted greatly from being on the Celtics dynasty. (Everyone else on those teams did, too. Heinsohn comes in at #57, which is almost certainly too high.)<br /><br />And I thought about it a little, but I really don't think it's necessarily geared against point guards. Or, at the very least, the MVP voting tends to fall in line with what actually ends up happening historically. What really hurts the point guards is that very few of them are the focal points of dynasties. Winning championships is, by far, the easiest way to move up these rankings, and if you think about it, very few teams are built around point guards without having at least one transcendent big man. Magic probably being the only exception here while Kareem was on his way out.<br /><br />Robertson never won when he was the main guy. Neither did Payton, Frazier, Kidd, or Nash. And Stockton and Cousy were never the main guy.<br /><br />And as far as specific rankings go, when I look at the list, I'm more concerned with "Charles Barkley is about 18th." He could realistically be a few spots either way, and the closer his number is to another guy, the more reasonable it is to say they could be switched. It works a little better, at least in my mind, if you look at it as a bubble or tiered system and that the surrounding names are very close to one another in greatness (depending on the difference in their ratings) and not a hard and fast definitive "#1 Greatest, #2 Greatest, #3 Greatest, etc." list.lucasewalthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08999129301313018201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6378203929601226776.post-24837453088315623182011-01-20T08:04:01.188-06:002011-01-20T08:04:01.188-06:00I am really surprised about how this equation fit ...I am really surprised about how this equation fit really well with how I would rank players on my own...<br /><br />The top 10 shakes out to about where I would put it, except that I would slide Kareem down to behind Wilt at the 5 spot, put Bird ahead of Duncan, and swithc Malone and Oscar, putting Oscar at the 9 spot.<br /><br />Havlicek, Cousy and Sam Jones all seemed to have benefitted a little too much from being on the Celtics. And I would have KG jump Barkley and Robinson.<br /><br />The biggest flaw, however, I see in this formula is human error when it comes to MVP voting.<br /><br />Voters tend not to vote players who assist and steal the ball a lot, meaning Points Guards, which I consider the most important position on the court offensively, do not get their fair share of MVP votes.<br /><br />This may be why Stockton is at number 24, but I believe he should be at 10 and just slightly edge Kobe (Kobe will probably surpass him and another of other players before it's all said and done) out of the top 10.<br /><br />What do you think?Seif-Eldeinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03538672620497991280noreply@blogger.com